{"id":1257,"date":"2018-01-27T16:03:56","date_gmt":"2018-01-27T16:03:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aurelis.org\/blog\/?p=1257"},"modified":"2023-05-10T16:47:14","modified_gmt":"2023-05-10T16:47:14","slug":"is-god-conscious","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aurelis.org\/blog\/open-religion\/is-god-conscious","title":{"rendered":"Is God Conscious?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>If God, then: it would be unimaginable for him to not be conscious. However, it would also be unimaginable for him to be conscious.<\/h3>\n<blockquote><p><strong>What with a nonconscious God?<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We humans generally associate \u2018free will\u2019 with the presence of consciousness. A person without <em>any<\/em> consciousness at all would be in deep sleep or in a coma, not responsive to any meaningful thing. In a \u2018light version\u2019, one can do things <em>without conscious awareness<\/em>, as might happen to you sometimes while driving and thinking about something very different.<\/p>\n<p>In both cases, I doubt whether this is compatible with any believer\u2019s image of God. A nonconscious God would be meaningless. It would be just a \u2018natural force\u2019.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>What with a conscious God?<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then he would be conscious of all suffering, not only of humans but of all species. That gives all kinds of moral issues. Do we have more empathy than God if we care for a person, for an animal? Or should we not have empathy since God chooses to let the creature suffer, say, if we\u2019re not there or don\u2019t intervene?<\/p>\n<p>In addition, human consciousness exist in a state of emergence \u2013 partly or more probably even totally \u2013 from nonconscious processing. There then we have again the nonconscious part. We can also speak about \u2018pure consciousness\u2019 \u2013 unrelated to any nonconscious processing \u2013 but that is of a purely mechanical kind. It\u2019s a characteristic of a machine.<\/p>\n<p>I doubt even more whether this is compatible with any believer\u2019s image of God.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>People universally consider God to be \u2018a conscious mind\u2019\u2026<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>without really thinking about what this might mean: \u2018a conscious mind\u2019. The issue of this text is thus to many \u2018solved by ignorance\u2019. Actually, it is not solved at all this way.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Dodging the question.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>One can contend that since God is all-powerful, he can do anything, including being conscious and nonconscious at the same time, or transcend such human-related categories.<\/p>\n<p>That might well be.<\/p>\n<p>That would mean that we know nothing of God, that he is completely different from us. For instance, if he has \u2018empathy\u2019 then we don\u2019t know \u2013 at all \u2013 what this might be worth to us, whether it is in any way at all related to what we would call \u2018empathy\u2019 (or \u2018love\u2019). It might be\u2026 but then we are completely deluded about the \u2018empathy\u2019 of God.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Then why would we bother?<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Why would he bother about us? Without consciousness as we know it, the God concept is meaningless. His existence would be trivial to us. We wouldn\u2019t even know what \u2018existence\u2019 means to him and how this concept differs from ours.<\/p>\n<p>Even more, <em>anything<\/em> becomes meaningless then unless we give it meaning. Not any of all believers can then still trust in God providing meaning to his life, his love, everything he knows and everything he doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>I doubt even most of all whether this is compatible with any believer\u2019s image of God\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Whether conscious or nonconscious, I see in the \u2018consciousness\u2019 of any imaginable God an insurmountable problem.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, we need to go beyond the imaginable\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Can we? 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